Ask the Governor - 6/04/09: Ask the Governor, with Gov. Deval Patrick

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" Guarded about Patrick is here from a physicist hello Gordon I don't know Marjorie diligent barriers to damn well I'm I'm I'm. I just went in before we get certain it would like to say something forum may -- an interest law. Mike it's nice to see you dancing. Tonight and don't think I saw you dance during the theme music last do my best governor. But as she dances -- the studio or should say quite regularly. And that it's quite a scene Martha Coakley and how much -- billionaire attorney general and Marjorie and relief that -- them doing what I'm sorry general you. Well and it really on a series and today I found. -- in the line. And I -- it was just as disappointed frankly. That the station chose the letter and resume broadcasting this week now and it mania. You know I like you guys but it made me embarrassed to be associated with the with the station I read. And I appreciate it is a policy -- his apology and I am I'm here because I believe. And his apology is sincere. But down. -- was seems to me we have got to figure out away on this station and you know our broader. Civic life to engage even on difficult issues with -- demeaning people who differ from us in background -- point of view. And I just wanted to."

" Why -- and images that look I am less -- ever speak for a colleague. But some of the words you talked about in terms of civility in those sort of things were some of the words you -- injuries. Rather profound apology on the air the end zone and as you know I assume and also speak for the station primary. I assumed that everybody hopes that their real and that they'll be --"

" And so world. We shall see we take in his -- I indeed okay showing OK then let us and move. We have had a course this week the indictment assassinated former speaker of the house you and the new speaker to Leo and Tracy Murray who runs the estate's president -- He talked about. Ethics reform right away. Trust Odyssey is an all time all right. What significant reforms. Do you see that going to turn around this trust fast read and do."

" Well first of all we filed a bill back in January. Early days in January asks for action to two two reformer ethics and lobbying rules. We have for action in thirty days. The the house passed. He had a very strong bill. Not exactly what we proposed but very strong bill the Senate passed it a bill which has many strengths. We differ with some of the aspects of -- of the Senate bill it's now in conference which means that two bodies trying to agree on final. And yesterday. The the Senate president the speaker and I spoke about the importance of getting it -- and done swiftly. Particularly in the wake of these really. Disturbing. Allegations recently. Troubling. And that coming in the debates indictment I am yes. A majority unethical the allegations regarding an ethical -- it ethics bill couldn't necessarily fix those but it's not -- that's that's not the point I'm making more margin nine point is that. We have to face the fact and and I think you know we've been trying to for a we in the in my administration. For many months now unaffected and that the people's trust and confidence in steak and shake. And it's been shaken -- By allegations that go bad you know that beyond in an earlier in the indictment which was released the day. And shaken by the gains -- and the pensions system. It says it is you know that's it so that we we moved. Pension reform we moved ethics reform transportation reform is in that same. Vain because here. In addition to simplification which kinda open -- up a little bit and make these agencies now let these agencies is the placement. Agencies from patronage. It -- but real. I'm really profession. And professionally operated -- run organizations typically addicts or excuse -- him and I think it is really important that we move on all of this I think it when he gave credit to the legislature that they -- In both houses passed bills that we don't have final build yet and we need those final bills empty your point Marty insurgent. Do you use your specific question what are we looking forward looking to strengthen. The enforcement authorities the ethics commission. Has response belief the ethics rules. The secretary of state has responsibility for the lobbying rules we want to give them the tools to actually enforce those rules want to sharpen. And clarified some of those rules for example is -- ambiguity right now. About it gifts that public officials can now can receive let's let's remove that and ambiguity let's just make that which is prohibited -- Because it you know which is fraught with. With trouble. Like we 10000 dollars -- times since then of course that was our game was for example -- certain sort or grand in cash for example. You know we're looking to give. The authority to the -- to the agencies to collect information. -- and the power to go get that. That information idea by subpoena power and so forth and give them some regulatory authorities -- they can spell out the rules. You know charity clarify for for people exactly the behaviors that are expect -- of the people around him the excuse to -- in understanding that we now always having to go for ad hoc. Guidance from from the yeah from those authorities so it it's I think we're making progress I think I know the leaders are committed. To getting good bills out getting them fast."

" Your position remains that if of them. I don't know how to quantify the vast majority of -- you just described as having ambien those bills was not there there's stills going to be if you told a sales tax wanted to --"

" Yes yes because it because -- it's a crummy time you know whether it's that sales tax that the legislature has been working on or the when the more targeted kinds of things like Mike began aspects that we proposed. It's a crummy time to be asking people to dig deeper and I won't ask people to dig deeper for the status quo we got to change to what."

" Last thing on ethics code quickly here it's not just -- see what I think is most troubling to look through the vast majority of people at the Macy's. It's -- and its -- three for three what in an ethics bill that you want would have prevented any. Of the behavior. That has infected the speaker's office for the last twenty some years."

" Well it's a it's a fair question and not one I can I can answer. Entirely because you know you can't legislate morality or -- Or ethical judgment now what we can do is be very clear about what the rules are we can give the agencies the authority to enforce those. Rules we can make sure that the consequences are significant this is something else we're trying to do. Any ethics bill by. By increasing the penalties and and it's over that we can do. And I think if we're going to -- you know if we're going to have them. If we're if we're going to give if we're gonna create a -- tree. A reclaim the trust of the public in the era in the government these are not. These are not be heavy lifts the idea that the legislature -- state government."

" You one last -- before it's the cost front page the book today Republicans have that on beacon Hiller. Basically alleging that the three million dollar Cognos contract which is at the heart of the south of -- surging in thirteen million -- Let's say three to thirteen million dollar. Country -- pardon -- may see an indictment. The -- it was awarded not on the merits that the your administration. Was aware that south -- this bowed to pressure or red flags raised you guys to NC."

" Well it's it's --"

" You know this is -- can't seem like expression. We that. I -- first of these allegations defined in the indictment correctly go back to 2004. And hit the building until 2000 sevenths. For some of those folks -- calling for investigations. And the air and -- might try. Starting back before. I get the but the -- was during that to you know actually there's more than -- contract in there is the way and you mentioned street which was doing and might and it analysts -- in that case. We have been investigated by EM both the yeah. Both the inspector general and the US attorney because we asked them to come in have a look at winner new CIO news chief. Information officer -- in -- and had a chance to look. At the country in had reasons to and leave that the process for awarding that contract was not on the up and up. It was our team that referred over to the inspector general asked him to to -- good close look and he did. And that you know and and that has gone where it is on the issue as you know will also say that you know kudos to a chief council. Who was able to recovery. Recover every single dollar right from the from the company's the fortunately the state that now -- and money."

" for second if I can everybody's heard the quote I'm sure -- days in the indictment -- it says were wildly. Who was one of the SOS is friends cells who was -- are you an officer of leader there Cognos. Has an -- sends an email to an unnamed Cognos officials saying we have a rogue secretary meaning your secretary of administration finance laws is her one. -- has some issues on how the software she repurchased and implement we're dealing with her boss which people are saying they -- morale is your deputy -- that. And he is coaching us on how to handle. The situation. Are consensus is with this man derided on etc. a briefly amenities have one final question after that -- What -- issue -- about."

" Well I don't know what he's talking -- Leslie Kurland is a fabulous members of the team absolutely invaluable. And then I know that day and -- and you know it this is a man of steel. Under prosecutions I don't get into too many details but I do know that listless and keen to be sure. That -- we were buying something worthwhile. That we actually needed the answers and I think got involved in negotiating the price down as a result of not wanting all of the services that were on. On offer. But it was Leslie and her team and they knew and chief information officer for two earlier reports. -- to secretary curling. Who you know -- me scratched beneath the surface after the Republican -- left. I'm had enough. Concerns too good to call in the inspector general and I am awfully glad they hate it I think the public two. Be it to."

" Governor last question this -- from me for now which relates to you which I don't know the answer Susan improvement there out their win this I guess several ports one when was the first time you had any idea that the -- wanted to -- did you ever speak to the -- About cognizant that you have any part in the final approval of cardinals got."

" And those are all fair questions that I am not going to get into -- again because -- and we've been through all this with the FBI and -- and I fully. Expect to release I guess it's possible that this thing goes on that we may have to participate. Further Meehan others on the on the team. I'll tell you that the stuff that's in the that the it's in the indictment cash and certainly in known. That."

" Directly in the right. You know when it comes just one last thing about political influence and you're saying and and use it elsewhere that this is. That this is. On the merits and then she was was the current who I've known for a long time to was concerned that if the finds you in a wonderful moment of candor have to say here. Maybe a year and a half ago. We were talking you I'm sure remember this is on the here we're talking you about a fire for. Who was jumped from -- 600 and -- third. On the civil service list and number one by the Senate president and you gotta sign off on the -- in the the moment of candor when -- turn to you and said. Why did you do that you're words almost verbatim. War because she asked me to. And what. Because she -- turn various regional."

" I week. I remembered that and I think it went back and checked on issues and issues that we get asked -- They would use I don't know what -- and on nine and Noah and and have been I mean that the underlying -- well I don't think is as you can use it because I remember. I remember. Wondering about it and we -- and in check and -- it anyway the point is."

" Is that you're done you ask. For -- people mean senate president speakers. You meet on Monday afternoon yeah you bump into each other and events or whatever is there are times were they I assume they say to you. Mr. governor on what the caller of the governor. I really need X can you make this happen and I --"

" And there are times when I have had the -- now and that. You know that doesn't always that doesn't always help the relationship but sometimes you just have to -- now let's clear there are a lot of landscape consciousness to a book atlas -- at least three times and other people -- what time."

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" Excellent time to that -- we -- 21969. Pound 969. From a Verizon -- on the governor is with us until 2 o'clock and he will take your calls governor. I'm Kelly can I do it yes humans ago brooks is calling from Boston brooks you."

" Good afternoon governor and brooks that we use I live in the same line and the you do infected -- fairly close to you you do it well I order a -- because you promised to address the the issue of property taxes yes I'm 67 years old -- the without my entire life. We've got an override her petite and pending in the ten now I don't know. I can no longer afford to buy outs and I want to know what you gonna do for me if anything if up and -- maybe you have summed it will be interest in buying. -- Well -- click -- you know it's disgraceful absolutely disgraceful. Amount of taxes that I pay well what 10000 votes a year."

" And believe me I know what the taxes are and that town you're referring to -- to and that we put did two or three different ideas. On the table and before the legislation because it takes legislative action as you know and and we haven't had success yet we year. We moved a bill. For a local option taxes them meals lodging Texas in the Telecom exemption all of those were intended. To give cities and towns like our town. -- other means to to raise revenues so they can take the pressure off the property tax they have not passed. We put them. The resort casino idea and -- on the table. The proceeds of that -- book that portion of them -- also intended to go to cities and towns to take the pressure of the property tax net went down in flames he notes which is going to have to keep. Keep that it and you know I hear brooks. What you are talking about and stories like yours all. Over the common. And I hear from municipal. Leaders who want. Those other those other tools as well as ways to receive. Money by doing things like moving municipal employees in the state health care system in the underperforming pensions into the state pension systems of the patent it. Cost them we can continue to partner with cities and towns and and put pressure on -- on the legislature many of whom support these ideas to get -- done."

" Thanks to question government are some of the answer this if you're a community like assuming the meals and hotel thing -- or whatever it's -- room and meals to expresses. Is it worked regionally or city or town by -- coming if you're Milton I don't know if there -- hotels and now -- now is show how does Milton in this -- benefit even if they give you what you want to assign a hotel."

" Here's what -- what we proposed in the budget that we -- as we keep coming back to this brooks I'm in different vehicles we we put it. Have a version of these ideas. In the budget that we submitted in man. In January and what we are proposing there is then used it at any. -- meals and lodging which would be elected statewide. And then -- distributed through the locally for oh okay so everybody it zealously to Israel and lettuce and another penny which you could do local option snowing now in this year ten and a motel and restaurant so everybody could get something could decide right now that. House hasn't taken it up the state took up version of that which is strictly local option. And does not to distribution and state. So I'd -- like ours my account which doesn't have a motel which now packet pieces -- Yankee team it's a process."

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" Welcome back to ask the governor this is the governor here markers. In factories dancing again. We go to the calls now Betty is calling from western Eddie I'm betting."

" Hi good afternoon and thanks for factory X I I can't I have to tell you that we are strict this. You're -- registry inspections and all these lies yeah I -- six. He'll -- 692. Weeks. And who cannot say you collect that medical documentation. That the Air France the world amateur option of not. He said that accident into a good. He still -- He went to that registry can convert it -- can do you. In the option and and."

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" And he passed the vision test."

" He had a webcast on the dot just saying that it could drag -- the -- only and they accepted that. Every accepting that where there -- at all."

" Clearly listened to Betty I mean that's the problem I had one that he is the easy there. Yes. And."

" Since the government -- once they talk but I don't go -- we do this a lot. We hear from wonderful people like -- Tuesday I've tried to stop my husband and my father my mother I've written to the registry I tried to hide the keys. And essentially. -- mean and I've never -- ago this four and essentially there there -- we have and you and you hear people call -- one more thing who say out of empathy yes. Their husbands for example who shouldn't be -- tests are passed by people the registry and because the mantle that feels bad old for the person who's worried they're not premium independent anymore so this is not an atypical story already worried about his safety in the public's."

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" On independence this is hugely important to to everybody. To O'Brien joins such an assistant house arrest for his father -- because raising the basement as it and it doesn't dwell on a course that bill that's pending wouldn't having you do with Betty over -- situation right which is why is that the the point of that and I've been making no way that we -- periodic tests. Regardless of and age that them. If the tests are being taken seriously aren't rigorous enough and -- husband if those and it acts can still get a EM. Can still get a license and we can at -- you know again Ian big primary different. -- is calling from Roxbury -- are you there."

" Governor. That -- huge untapped revenue source that you should look at for for the state to. Every single federal state county agencies city and -- pension -- absolutely no state income tax you mean that the pensioner. That pensioner honestly we achieve and that every. Tension participant. Knows what they've contributed. Towards there the typically exhausted within three to five years after that it's the government contributions. And you know its attacks equity issue private pension as text to borrow one K and IRA -- freebie every qualified plan -- as well let's."

" Thank you met distributions to abuse yet and yet no reason why they should be mass tax exempt these you know what kind of money to be talking about the federal tax you know."

" Every federal pension their -- notes state."

" Tax every county city town -- a state employee Massport employee you're exempt from state taxation."

" Know them and asking a different question -- if that bad that that state pension is it's subject to federal income tax."

" Yes there are subject of federal income tax -- and it reads from the Fed federal employees do not get taxed it's because."

" If they -- Tension participant."

" Does not get taxed at the state level -- then. Under some sort of -- parity. That federal. Tension participant tend not the taxed at the state level sort of a lot of federal -- engineers and state county agency map sport but turnpike sitting in town."

" You know you had -- and I'm not talking about having them pay him what they've contributed yeah that's not there yet but out but on what the state has given them."

" I see why. Interest to -- I did Joe what an interesting an -- of a lot of food for thought thank you."

" This big brouhaha about these two -- tiny town is bunker hill day evacuation day there was a vote was close yesterday."

" The Beacon Hill but we still have them. -- and I think it's time and yeah you know I know I know people appreciate that the time -- seems unfair to do it. For one county what county crisis twice a year and ahead to bill come to me it would signed a."

" Ten million dollars or ten million dollars between a few days yeah you have to say before he got here my I was saying how naive I was. I assume that if there was ever going to be a flurry of legislative activity ever -- was going to be today after the -- impairment and while it's great to -- I don't mean this facetiously -- great viewing the two leaders have remove ethics quickly. To have to vote today after an indictment of the third house speaker row to protect -- holidays. The primarily benefit. Then."

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" If you want if you money list of the things it might outrage got -- of outrage we only thirty minutes we don't have time. In an attack outlook I like this it if the Billick come to me at science. I would be surprised becomes a began in the legislature. I think that there is you know me and people say this generally of legislatures. Not just hours and they say -- of congress that the public is further and then that then need legislature frequently in is and the public is hungry right now. For meaningful action on a few things that are going to. Both as a practical matter but also symbolically each legally do business that is what the ethics and lobbying goes about that's with the pension reform bill is -- that's what transportation reform is is and I think that he's going to take. All of us. Not just and the governor not just you guys on the radio but the public we're listening. Picking up the phone and emailing and saying look this is -- to happen and happen now. And the legislature is working on now on those three measures anyway into the air to their credit they've made a lot of a lot of progress that we get close on this and."

" When we do it's gotta be meaningful but -- let me quote -- your favorite people you refinement for second talking about the announcers the culture -- Beacon -- thing. It it it's it's. There's a tone deafness on an issue like that it seems to me hearken back to January primary for awhile Martha Coakley -- Richard Vitale and associate of -- sell them as much as about the commerce selectors don't worry so and that's out there for about a month before sell the -- runs for reelection. And a hundred and they're out there and by the way in the globe coverage of that it specifically speaks the places were Martha Coakley says she isn't using the Macy's name shows that. Representations the -- made to the newspapers were directly contravene. By her indictment of a tally yet. A 135. Your fellow Democrats. Vote to reelect the speaker and then giving him standing ovation a couple weeks later it's exactly the culture that you were railing against when you run and a couple years ago."

" That's that's part of it but you know I would say that I think not -- and we'll say that bear. You know as in any large organization they are all kinds of human dynamics there's some really great people. Who serve the public in the latest I -- really serious. Dedicated. People and then there is this institutional momentum. That people get caught up caught up in -- making judgments all the time about where. To stand and fight. And if they fight in one area than they worried about I'm not being as effective. In some other areas that they particularly and I -- caravan and people making those judgments ul -- attack this isn't an explanation or an excuse. It frustrates me to. And and you know I want to be respectful of the legislative process respectful respectful of the deliberative. Process but I think. That the public is losing. Their patience. With. Court -- That apple them process sometimes wins when they are clamoring for results. Now to that to the great credit of of the partnership we have had in the last two plus years we finished the last list legislative session. The most productive in thirty years we come into this when knowing. That. Money is limited him to make some really miserable budget decisions. It's a perfect time. To to turn up the volume and the level of activity on the reform agenda. And we got to get this gotta get this moved in I don't know how else. To draw attention to and then to say. The tax package from my perspective will be vetoed if we don't. If we don't do these go."

" One piece reformer camp we've made 33 minutes Margie has an uproar if she you have won your first appearances here a couple years ago shifts abruptly the details and I'm almost quoting several if not the top of my list of priorities it is clearly had a -- Well not so. Talk for seconds for people who don't know him what did you announcer he's the mass highway in the as the roads were you don't need legislative approval through this there are covered by your own executive authority right and ready vetoes so what are you doing exactly and why oh why are we doing now."

" So we have them we have brought police details excuse me we have brought civilian slackers to construction projects in Massachusetts -- will be. They will be line statement notes and state sponsored. Construction projects on the we're a public safety warrants that we still making a judgment about we're for example high speed. Sitting on the line Turner's -- at it may be prudent to use yet -- trained. Uniformed police officer and there's some I think seventy. Projects underway at the beginning of this construction season wins it will be. Civilian players and it's a step in the right direction -- that Wilson I will -- associated."

" I'm Marty you raising your hand I've written. I have to raise my hand guy there it's like an intermission yet that I can ask questions about it -- mostly -- you can from me now pretends it -- noticed moderate anyway. I think we should get the prevailing waste that affects slackers because and you can have a more reasonable hourly rate which hasn't happened yet but still even if it hasn't happened yet. We're talking about significant savings guys and sure sure is so how we gonna say because it's still paid prevailing wage."

" Well it comes for -- comes a couple of forms that the prevailing -- the wage for police officers at the wage for laborers who do this sort of exactly that's. That's a difference debt at wages is lower. Secondly. We don't have. Contractual obligations that we have had with them police officers and -- and this is knotted the police okay we can't. Some calls of -- and I think in the past -- please them and don't want to be heard TP. Disrespectful of police. I'm from any road projects the easy four hour minimum and sometimes they and sometimes more. I'm for an assignment that maybe in some case required just an hour's worth. Of work. And then there's the overtime multiple. Police officers sometimes and paid for -- here -- and so. All of those things are area are in the equation for the for the state the 49 of the states have been doing this for a beat. Widget joining we're bringing up the rear and it's adapt to --"

" Colleagues in the last week have rated from bids that were made by firms that one. To have a civilian flyers on these sites out and the number they're citing fifty some per hour as one of low bids exceeds what the cops. Are making. What's wrong with -- I don't know what's wrong with a mask and you what's wrong with -- are in the reading from documents where they're saying that the fly bigger bids. From these private firms are higher than with the state or a city -- down is currently playing."

" Better not -- let me put this week it was going to be awarding those those countries but I will say this the -- are. There are sound. There is an analysis I've read that we would be better off hiring. People to be flagged as directly as state workers rather than having the contractors. Include it in. The NBA because it is multiplied it kind tractors put uncle here costs and that's just you know part of it's not bad news is the -- and businesses. And that may be. Smarter than and more cost effective to have a country. Slackers who're. Who state employees and obviously have other things to do because -- because construction season."

" On the reform front here is closed for address the question you've answered before rethink -- more pressing now -- the governor please why the public sector gets defined benefit pensions while the private sector aside from the unionized industries get defined contribution pension is like for a one -- and all at the conference question before -- colleagues -- sure you know pretty well David Paterson the governor of New York -- this bill that is allegedly on -- for public employee pensions. New York getting huge play Bloomberg's -- from the public employees are damning him basically I believe what he's basically doing is creating a two tiered system I hope this is -- in terms of -- people to -- our obligation to hand and future employees. Why can't to -- question why can't future employees be defined contribution for a one -- types like we -- war and the turn employees if they have an expectation after X number of years whatever it is -- occurrences."

" We basically just phasing out what -- Well look and there's a -- can I'm gonna just say oh more attractive and confirmed for listeners who -- we're close to that course so defined. Benefit plans are ones weird theories a contribution made through your work life in to assist in the money is invested in an -- Eight predictable. Distribution is made from the time of retirement usually on a monthly basis. So you know which again and again it depending on how old you are and how long you've you've worked in whatever other factors are considered. Defined contribution systems 401 case where you take. That money and you put it in your 401K account or some other and than -- in 2000 well Pennsylvania you know it goes up or down and I write it does it goes up or down with the market and much of private industry. As Clifford. -- is email him has moved it not all but much. A private industry is moving in the direction of for a one -- so I'm not there yet in terms and dynamic and familiar with. And have experience with this for a one cases and because that's where I've spent most of my life so why -- there. Because I think that defined benefit system is a part of the bargain we make. With public service employees for pain and -- I am for paying them below market. Compensation. But. I think for that system to have integrity. Both financially and in the minds of of the general public and we've got to we got to close these loopholes we have to fix these games and that's what pension reforms."

" That's the ball out of going to take a break more time with ask the governor refuses."

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" Welcome back to ask the governor. Point nine BT KK and it was like tree and -- my trees. Still taken shaken that bank again. Are that the let's go to Mike in Medford -- there moment."

" Earlier. You pretty good you mentioned that people are getting sick and tired there's. If you look back I mean it's been. A long long time everybody's been sick and tired of it and people moved to New Hampshire is being -- But -- guy -- right down the middle. -- for you -- Republican. You're saying the -- of this system. We've looked at that there's more Republicans. To work with the campaign. You know even deals can be made more Democrat Republican governors that doesn't work. Democrat Democrat in outlook and a lot -- system. They I mean -- Republicans. Well."

" I guess Mike what I would say is that the longer on the or something I thought was true. Is -- has been confirm for me and -- a man and one of the careful in how I say this. But I don't think that the issue. In Massachusetts is a party issues so much that the real. Tensions the real issue it seems to me is that insiders and outsiders there are we have a very. Closed. Inward looking political establishment. I'm not that people just the habit of looking in men and out of talking to dealing with the same people. Rather than bringing new voices in new contributions new wisdom that's where it. We ran on that's what we're trying to. To change and it can be changed I think. Or that the nature of their change goes beyond party and it goes beyond individuals meaning. The same individuals I think. Can adjust the behavior so that they are. Looking out. I'm thinking about new ways of of doing business opening up the process more and member of the very first budget that we. Submitted. We -- we put them the budget up on the -- we made the the a way of analyzing it simpler for people we went out Indian event in my opinion it for from the think in -- Two of the day the budget was filed -- of the town hall and talk to people about what the priorities weren't let them ask let them ask questions a whole idea. Of opening that process up to people is an example of what we. Want to do you have done and want to continue to do and and and broadened so so do respect year to your point Mike. I'm not sure that the issue is party I have I'm working relationships with Democrats and Republicans. In this legislature and in life. You know we worked very closely with a couple of Republican governors on the federal stimulus bill and I'm very very grateful for that. After that partnership that for me is not that that the issue from it from me as I experiences and again due respect your point. The play seems to be more about -- insiders and outsiders and nine I just want us to be more outward looking and more more welcoming. Two new perspectives and new ways to."

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" I don't think they call him. My -- was in regard to frequent those wondering if you position the change at all. The microphone in orbit when bill that your initial budget."

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" The eyes of the we know that. I mean a great deal of money there's no question about it but it seemed like he. To an extent -- your budget is being built on the backs of hard working police subtler work hard and going to put it kinda been paid their money to get their degree yeah. Defeat some sort of benefit from it just happened now under the rug pulled out from under them."

" Well it's I understand your point -- and don't think it is fair to say that the budgets being balanced on on the back of hard working and police officers because in fact that cuts that we had to make our deep enough so it. Everybody is is feeling the pain what I would like to see us move toward use something that. Is more of support for. Police officers and others in getting near educational. Qualifications improving their original educational -- Qualifications. Rather than a lifetime. Income stream which I don't I just don't think we can afford. Right now all -- all apart from the worthiness. Of the regional. Programming content for."

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" Contact Claire good luck governor on back to the -- front for second router knows who prefer to your gas tax and some other targeted things. The if you look at the numbers from this this bipartisan transportation finance commission her -- on your election. 720 billion dollars of its warriors forgot to -- him in the third. Maintain and repair that which exists right there's nowhere near that money going to be earmarked of the sales tax increase. What's next on that front from Huron who is a slow gas tax push what's the deal."

" Well you know I think you know I think -- told you on this program told listeners I think it and we have to acknowledge its economy time to be asking anybody for any taxes and I wouldn't. I am very reluctant more than reluctant to to talk about a sales tax and a gas tax and the sales tax isn't done until I sign. And and -- can sign if if we don't get the reforms and we going to continue to work with legislatures they. As they go through the budgeting. As as they go through their budgeting process I think that the issue with the sales tax and transportation. Is that and the difference is that I really feel it will -- the -- we haven't shown in Massachusetts. Four. A long time that discipline. Of investing in transportation consistently year over year over year. And doing at reliant. And the reason that I preferred the -- the gas tax in and I you know I know was unpopular but the reason to prefer -- a reason to prefer is that it's dedicated you can't. Diverted to something else if somebody gets another good idea next year. If we do -- a sales tax. With eight. You know as they are proposing to do it in the legislature. This year then there's a whole other debate about how much of the general fund dedicated to that too transportation now. We have. With the legislature's help. Some large transportation bond bills and accelerated bridge program all of that the legislature is is supporting that's important. But I still think we need a dedicated revenue stream that can be relied on. I'm by the T by the turnpike I'm regional. Transit authorities by. -- Builders and and maintain yours out in the western and north shore and down the central and south coast and parts of the of the commonwealth and we're just gonna have to continue to look for those those solutions go."

" There were over to ten more seconds very quickly you said all of Vito these sales tax the numbers in the original passage of the sales tax would. If they held would close and be able overrode a veto have you identified members in the house of the Senate. Who told you were your people they switched their votes to sustain a veto happy."

" nine elected electing Nancy your questions to answer. What you know in the spirit of its audio Marjorie dancing when -- on we're not embarrassed when we get back to a grinding as governor. Now. To talk about notes the big issue New Hampshire the state to the north masters is the -- you should listen to get the part Governor Patrick thank you Google. I I don't know -- on again -- gigabyte is ahead and maybe -- the governor cannot or will Angela governor thank you so -- pretty well."

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